PlayStation 2; Getting a ps2 to look good. When I play PS2 games on my Sony. And I imagine the PS2 would probably look even better,so I would start. I love playing ps2 games, but ever since I've got a new hd tv, it all looks like crap.On my old ctr tv, it looked just fine, now; all the edges a jagged, all the.

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We're calling this a semi-fix because not everybody has their television set up like I do (in Athens, not at home. This one rocks out with HDMI and such). A while back, we did - in my particular case, it appears to be true. Yes, there are a lot more jaggies and oh, goodness, the text is atrocious. There is, however, light at the end of this tunnel. I'll tell you how my TV's set up to quickly repair the damaged graphics.

All right, so currently my PS3 is connected to my TV via the HDMI and those cruddy composite cables - the yellow, white, and red. Because my TV has channels dedicated to both. When I run a PS2 game on the HDMI channel, yeah, it looks bad. So what do I do? Go to my Display Settings and swap the PS3 back onto the 480i channel - the channel most PS2 games were probably meant to be seen in. I think that's the problem - PS2 games didn't plan on getting their resolutions increased so drastically.

So I swap it back to 480i and re-load the PS2 game and guess what? The text is gorgeous and the graphics look fine. They don't look perfect, but it's a lot better than the HDMI shows. You guys can go ahead and test this if your TV is prepared for the journey of multiple wires.

Or computer monitor, which I know a lot of you swear by (and rightly so, it seems)! Let us know if this works for you. In all seriousness, though, it doesn't bother me that much. If I can still enjoy the gameplay, I don't mind having a jaggy sword, or funny-looking handrails.

Perhaps Sony will strive to fix this in the future, but for now, keep your PS2 hooked up if it gets too unbearable. update: As I continue to screw around with different games, if you crack out any 2D-centric titles ( Atelier Iris 2 in my case), the graphics actually look better with HDMI.

The backgrounds have a few splotchy points, but the sprites are much, much sharper.

Looking at the PS2/PS3 comparison screen shots, my fat PS2 (via component cables) looks absolutely nothing like those PS3 images. I'm not sure where you got the idea that the PS2 has the same 'bug' as the PS3. My PS2 via component looks better on my 50' Sony LCDRP TV than my year old 32' Trinitron. You're not sure where I got the idea? Maybe because I have 2 ps2's and 1 of them exhibits this bug. Regarding ff12 (as I mentioned, a 480i game in my previous post): I had the same impressions when I played it on my PS2. It looks tons better on my PS3 though.

I bet you'll find that your ps2 has the bug I mentioned. Look at the images of how the pixels are flipped. I would like to offer an explanation of why some may think the ps2 looks worse than others. If you followed the early days of the ps3, it's backward compatibility for ps2 titles was crappy for 480i games. It produced 'extra' jaggies because of pixel flipping.

Screenshots and an expanation can be found here: This was fixed with a firmware update from Sony. However, my old ps2 gives the exact same results with 480i games when played using component cables.

This is a bug in the ps2's rendering of 480i games over component connections. This does not happen with my new slim ps2.

Sony fixed the problem it would seem. Perhaps it was only broken with a select run of ps2's. Would be nice to know which ones were affected. Again, the only situation where this effect is seen is with 480i games (final fantasy 12 for example) while using component cables (sony, monster, doesn't matter) and only on certain models of ps2 (and early ps3 firmware) on your hdtv. (no it doesn't matter the hdtv, I've got 3). Which update was this? I tried playing ICO a couple of months back and it was horrible.

I coudnt even see the wall, edges, etc. May have to go back and try again. Of course it also depends on how large the OPs HDTV is. I can barely stand any previous generation games on my TV, the picture is too big and that just magnifies the lower res issues. It's only 22 inches. =( From what I gathered from looking around, the problem is also a TV thing.

Apparently some TVs handle lower resolution picture better and upscale it or flip th resolution of the TV to accomodate. Surprise, surprise, when I looked around to see what TVs featured this I was told 'almost all Sony HDTVs'.

Bah, I'd rather just get the PS3. No, that's my point. It looks worse in 480p, therefore I ain't agonna use it. Okay, I see; I misread the OP. I get blurry results with component cables in progressive scan, OP gets it with composites.

I blame Jesus. That wouldn't seem to make any sense.

480p should definitely give better results on an HDTV. The only reason I can think of that it might not is that the hand-me-down HDTV doesn't support 480p resolution, and so it's doing some sort of wonky conversion that is messing it all up. I don't have an HDTV (yet), but on my nephews cheap HDTV, 480p definitely looked sharper/better (coming from a Gamecube, in this case), then 480i. I think it's your TV. Of course, if that's the TV you've got, that's the TV you've got, so do what looks best on it.

I would like to offer an explanation of why some may think the ps2 looks worse than others. If you followed the early days of the ps3, it's backward compatibility for ps2 titles was crappy for 480i games. It produced 'extra' jaggies because of pixel flipping. Screenshots and an expanation can be found here: This was fixed with a firmware update from Sony. However, my old ps2 gives the exact same results with 480i games when played using component cables.

This is a bug in the ps2's rendering of 480i games over component connections. This does not happen with my new slim ps2. Sony fixed the problem it would seem. Perhaps it was only broken with a select run of ps2's. Would be nice to know which ones were affected. Again, the only situation where this effect is seen is with 480i games (final fantasy 12 for example) while using component cables (sony, monster, doesn't matter) and only on certain models of ps2 (and early ps3 firmware) on your hdtv.

(no it doesn't matter the hdtv, I've got 3). I brought my fat PS2 to my sister's house tonight for some Rock Band.

It's a SCPH-39001 model. She has an HDTV and I hooked the PS2 up with a component cable and saw this jagged problem with the display of text at initial start up of the game.

If I'm recalling correctly, it's before it confirms whether or not you want to run in progressive scan mode. This would make sense from what you say above, as that means that portion was 480i. After that I think it looked fine, but maybe the text still looked bad? I'm not sure now.

In any case, at least some of the time the jaggies were pretty bad. Do all fat PS2s have this problem, or do later versions of the fat PS2 have this fixed?

I would prefer to have a fat PS2 due to the HDD option, but then again, whenever I upgrade to an HDTV I'm going to be sad with my current system. Along those lines, what is the model number of the newest fat-style PS2 produced? Well I took the plunge and bought a 40' LCD (Samsung, LN40A450), and as you might have guessed, PS2 games don't look so good. There isn't much consistency either. Some games look worse than others; some are passable, maybe even 'good,' relatively speaking, but there is a softness to everything (this is via composite btw). The Gamecube fairs a bit better (also composite).

According to the reviews, this tv handles SD content quite well. While I doubt they were referring to the PS2, I'm hoping that with the right tweaks I can get a decent image. Some things to remember.Component is actually going to make the image sharper.which is going to make it look crappier on a digital set. 1) Try turning down the SHARPNESS control.with a 480i game (that has to be converted to whatever resolution your Sammy is.I assume 1080p or 768p at this point) the best you can hope for is a SOFT but smooth picture.

2) Try bumping up the colors a few notches and turning down brightness. 3) Try an SVideo or even a.GASP. composite cable.

See, most sets have fancy 3D Comb filters these days, but they only work on composite connections.its worth a shot if you hate the picture. 4) Buy a controller extension cable and sit further back Ultimately you can't get blood from a stone, so you'll have to accept that the PS2's graphics are, well, like that. On a 36' 4:3 set that was throwing out maybe 400 or so lines of total resolution those games looked awesome.but those days are over. Well, the only game I've been able to really try on an LCD HDTV (my sister's) was Rock Band and it looks pretty good through component with progressive scan and widescreen enabled. The image definitely doesn't look worse through component, it looks better. However, 480i games (and, seemingly, the startup process), have that weird jagged lines problems, which is awful. It's most noticeable with text - the letters are funky looking and harder to read.

Does anyone know if the later fat PS2s had this fixed? Specifically model SCPH-50001? I would like to stick with a fat PS2, but only if they fixed this problem in the later fat PS2 model(s).

Also, regarding component video making games look worse on an HDTV in general, I call bullshit on that because we've tried a bunch of Gamecube games through component and they look much better than when run through RCA cables. Perhaps if you're seeing worse picture quality with component video on the PS2, then maybe what you are really experiencing is the PS2 bug with 480i sources on older PS2s?

EDIT: I edited the following paragraph at the point noted to correct things a bit An LCD HDTV is going to blur (soften) the image produced by the PS2 even with a component cable because it is substantially lower resolution than even a 720p HDTV. It has to scale the image up (EDIT START) and in doing that LCDs use an 'interpolation' method that inherently blurs/softens the image. It's kind of like anti-aliasing. (END EDIT) It will be less blurry/soft with component, but it certainly won't be 'too sharp'. I can say from recent experience that Rock Band (480p widescreen) through component looked quite good, albeit still a bit soft/blurry.

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Certainly better than via composite. Similarly I can tell you from experience that all of the 480p games we've tried on the Gamecube look much better via component than composite on this same HDTV. Perhaps when you are thinking that component is going to make the image too sharp, you are thinking of something other than an LCD HDTV, or perhaps thinking of a Nintendo 64 era machine shown on an analog tube via composite vs. There, yes, s-video makes the image too sharp for some tastes, but that's on an analog tube TV. An LCD HDTV is entirely different. If the image via component looks worse than composite or s-video, and in particular if it looks 'jagged', then odds are that you are experiencing the 480i through component bug in older PS2s. Newer PS2s (supposedly) don't have this problem.

EDIT: I edited the following paragraph at the point noted to correct things a bit An LCD HDTV is going to blur (soften) the image produced by the PS2 even with a component cable because it is substantially lower resolution than even a 720p HDTV. It has to scale the image up (EDIT START) and in doing that LCDs use an 'interpolation' method that inherently blurs/softens the image. It's kind of like anti-aliasing. (END EDIT) It will be less blurry/soft with component, but it certainly won't be 'too sharp'. I can say from recent experience that Rock Band (480p widescreen) through component looked quite good, albeit still a bit soft/blurry. Certainly better than via composite. Similarly I can tell you from experience that all of the 480p games we've tried on the Gamecube look much better via component than composite on this same HDTV.

Perhaps when you are thinking that component is going to make the image too sharp, you are thinking of something other than an LCD HDTV, or perhaps thinking of a Nintendo 64 era machine shown on an analog tube via composite vs. There, yes, s-video makes the image too sharp for some tastes, but that's on an analog tube TV. An LCD HDTV is entirely different. If the image via component looks worse than composite or s-video, and in particular if it looks 'jagged', then odds are that you are experiencing the 480i through component bug in older PS2s. Newer PS2s (supposedly) don't have this problem.

Very interesting read. I guess my ps2 is one of those component bug ones since I got it on Black Friday 2005. The ultimate realization here is that you can't get blood from a stone. Nor, for that matter, can you polish a turd. The average PS2 videogame runs at 4:3 480i resolution. Thats going to be upconverted to a progressive scan image by any fixed-pixel display like a LCD TV since those units cannot display an interlaced signal, so you can automatically expect to be in Jaggy Hell right from the get go. IF you use a composite cable you'll get softer jaggies and less color definition.

IF you use S-Video or Composite cables you'll get sharper jaggies and better color definition. Which you prefer is up to you. The only advantage to running component cables on a PS2 is to play some games in progressive scan mode, widescreen mode will work with even a standard SVideo cable (you'd let your TV do the deinterlacing to achieve a progressive signal). I am at work now, but thought maybe someone here could answer before I go home and try it. I bought component cable for my slim PS2 and I got the same thing when I played Persona 3.

Excellent color, horrible edges. Well, now I have the 80GB PS3 (actually Persona 3 seems to look pretty good through HDMI, I guess its that smoothing firmware update thing, but) the question I have is. Since I am using HDMI, can I have composite cable hooked into my PS3 too? Then toggle which set of cables I want to use in the set-up. So I don't have to manually change the wires everytime I want to swap?

I have a PS2 slim and am thinking of getting a PS3. Does the PS3 do anything besides upscaling? Does it emulate the PS2 and produce a 720p / 1080p image with sharper polygons but normal textures? My guess is it doesn't. I'm asking because playing PS1 games on the PC, you can have it render the polygons at a decent resolution like 1024 x 768 and games look really good, a lot better than upscaling or a 2x filter. I prefer an upscaled image that looks 'blocky' compared to a stretched image with smoothing.

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Keeping that in mind, will the PS3 look better than my slim PS2? If not, I'll just go for the one without BC, otherwise I might have to go for BC. I have a PS2 slim and am thinking of getting a PS3. Does the PS3 do anything besides upscaling? Does it emulate the PS2 and produce a 720p / 1080p image with sharper polygons but normal textures? My guess is it doesn't. I'm asking because playing PS1 games on the PC, you can have it render the polygons at a decent resolution like 1024 x 768 and games look really good, a lot better than upscaling or a 2x filter.

I prefer an upscaled image that looks 'blocky' compared to a stretched image with smoothing. Keeping that in mind, will the PS3 look better than my slim PS2? If not, I'll just go for the one without BC, otherwise I might have to go for BC. You'd better get an 80gb model quick then, because according to todays E3, they are phasing them out.the 40gb (with no B/C) is getting the 80 gig drive, but B/C is history. The PS3 will essentially make your PS2 games look softer but with less jagged edges. Its nothing like the PS1 on the PC situation however, youre still left with low-rez textures.

If you like the blocky image you can do that with the PS2.or turn off the filters and run the PS3 in native mode. I may just wait for that 80gb one to come out then. I played Okami all the way through and that looked decent on PS2 with an HDTV. I did notice that my PS1 games looked better on the PS2 than on the PS1, but that may have just been the component cables. Thanks for the information. My TV is not so good at upscaling and the video lags a little. Means that I can't play Guitar Hero, but I guess I can't do that on PS3 with the PS2 game anyway.

People have said that all the video processing in the PS3 for PS2 games creates the same delay. Is that true?